Episode 416 - FOREVER

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Episode 416 - FOREVER

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Date: September 12, 1972

Summary: In this two-hour episode, Joe falls in love with and marries Alice Harper, and they move into a home of their own. Eventually, Alice becomes pregnant. In the meantime Alice's brother, John, runs up a large gambling debt. When Alice will not pay off his debt, the man he owes has the house set on fire and Alice and John are both killed. Joe and Candy then set out to find the killers and get justice for Alice's death.

This episode was originally written for Dan Blocker.
Written by: Michael Landon
Directed by: Michael Landon
Guest Stars: Bonnie Bedelia (Alice Harper); Andy Robinson (John Harper); Roy Jenson (Hanley); Robert Doyle (Sloan); Lee de Broux (Kater); Jay Jones (Carver); Ivan Bonar (Minister); Joan Lemmo (Gloria); Helen Kleeb (Miss Grayson); John J. Fox (Jack); William Challee (Jake).

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Re: Episode 416 - FOREVER

Post by ellie » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:57 pm

I saw part 1 today. Had I not known that this was the first episode that aired after Dan's death, I would have loved this part of the episode. (Of course, I would not have known what Joe and Alice were talking about when they talked of Hoss in the past tense). Even if they needed to "lose" the female, TPTB really could have given Joe a son who outlived his Ma!

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Post by daisy60 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:41 am

I still remember tv ads for Forever. The ad showed Joe getting married. Nobody knew Alice was going to die in part 2. I was shocked! It would have been great if TPTB would have allowed both Alice and the baby to continue on The Ponderosa. Michael had called Pernell to see if he could come back for the episode. He said he would but TPTB wouldn't allow it which was a huge mistake on their part. Instead. it was Candy who came back to help Joe find Alice's killer
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Re: Episode 416 - FOREVER

Post by october » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:32 am

Such a horrible shame the TPTB wouldn't have allowed PR's reprise as Adam - it would have been cathartic for the Bonanza team - must have been so hard to shoot these episodes - the heart must have gone out of everyone involved with Bonanza.

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Post by Sharry » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:10 pm

daisy60 wrote:I still remember tv ads for Forever. The ad showed Joe getting married. Nobody knew Alice was going to die in part 2. I was shocked! It would have been great if TPTB would have allowed both Alice and the baby to continue on The Ponderosa. Michael had called Pernell to see if he could come back for the episode. He said he would but TPTB wouldn't allow it which was a huge mistake on their part. Instead. it was Candy who came back to help Joe find Alice's killer


That is a shame that PR wasn't allowed back for that episode - I didn't know that. The emotions attached to that episode make me shudder. :sad

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Post by lovemychico » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:37 pm

I am at work and I keep the TV on WEtv. I saw that part one was on yesterday. As I was walking through waiting room first time it was at the part of Alice and Joe talking about Hoss. then I went through again and it was as Joe and Alice were standing in the doorway (Joe shirtless) at the end. I forgot it was on today and it has been quieter here at work. I have volume up just so that as soon as I heard the music box playing at the hotel I got teary eyed!! :sad
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Post by January » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:39 pm

daisy60 wrote: Michael had called Pernell to see if he could come back for the episode. He said he would but TPTB wouldn't allow it which was a huge mistake on their part.


Is this common knowledge? :grin This is the first I've heard about this. Where is this from?
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Post by daisy60 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:34 pm

I read it in an interview with Michael but I don't remember where. Pernell had said he would do it because of Dan.

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Post by January » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:01 pm

daisy60 wrote:I read it in an interview with Michael but I don't remember where. Pernell had said he would do it because of Dan.
thanks daisy. I've no doubt you read it and it was written. My question is, is it true. That's an incredible statement so I've asked Andy Klyde to see if he knows if there's any truth to it. I'll reply back as soon as I hear anything.

I know things have been written in magazines all the time. I've gotten to the point, until I hear Mike say it on Johnny Carson, I believe nothing. :laughing
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Re: Episode 416 - FOREVER

Post by daisy60 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:47 am

If anyone knows for sure it would be Andy!

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