Episode 361 - A MATTER OF CIRCUMSTANCE

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Episode 361 - A MATTER OF CIRCUMSTANCE

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Date: April 19, 1970

Summary: Joe is injured by a horse that is frightened by a thunderstorm. He is alone on the Ponderosa and struggles to stay conscious and care for his injuries. Convinced that his arm has become gangrenous, Joe decides he must amputate his arm in order to survive.

Written by: B. W. Sandefur
Directed by: William F. Claxton
Guest Stars: Ted Gehring (Griffin); Vincent Van Patten (Tim); Harry Holcombe (Doctor)

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Post by Sharry » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:58 pm

This episode was one that had me hiding behind my hands when I saw the original airing years ago and stayed with me in my memories. I don't know if I thought Joe was actually going to amputate any part his arm, but I was convinced enough to keep watching. I've watched it only once or twice since and still find myself flinching at various aspects throughout the episode. Yes, that one really got to me.

Imagine Ben and Hoss coming home and finding him after he managed some sort of actual amputation. Holy $@(^... :thud
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Post by daisy60 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:21 am

I was still very young the first time I saw it, so I also had to hide behind my hands. In fact I still do-I can feel Joe's pain! He sure does suffer greatly and does it so realistically! I wish they would release all of the seasons so I can hear the scream that was taken out because it was too realistic.
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Post by Sierra Girl » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:31 am

That is one of the two episodes which really stuck with me that I remember watching as a kid (the other being Bushwhacked - do you notice a theme here...). I was always rather freaked out by his giant swollen hand. I've not heard about the scream though... I'd love to know more.

When you watch the later episodes the thing that really stands out is how different the style is - such as the direction and the camera effects. I definitely prefer the 'simpler' look of the earlier episodes.
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Post by Bejules » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:40 am

From what I've read and if my memory serves me correctly I believe the scream that was taken out was when Joe got trampled by the horses in the barn. Mike's performance all through that episode was outstanding and you can feel his pain! You can imagine Mike gave his all when he had to react to being trampled and the PTB decided that his scream was just too realistic for the audience to take!
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Post by Sharry » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:31 am

Bejules wrote:From what I've read and if my memory serves me correctly I believe the scream that was taken out was when Joe got trampled by the horses in the barn. Mike's performance all through that episode was outstanding and you can feel his pain! You can imagine Mike gave his all when he had to react to being trampled and the PTB decided that his scream was just too realistic for the audience to take!
That's interesting - I didn't know that either. In view of how 'disturbing' the version was that was kept in perhaps they were right, but I confess I'd love to hear the original. ML was really good at conveying feelings, and that whole episode was just wracked with pain as it was. Yikes.

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Post by Sierra Girl » Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:22 pm

Bejules wrote:From what I've read and if my memory serves me correctly I believe the scream that was taken out was when Joe got trampled by the horses in the barn.
Thanks Bejules, that was really interesting. And like Sharry I'd love to see/hear the original version.

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Post by Sharry » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:48 pm

Watching this episode again this evening - still chilling. One of the most dramatic productions Bonanza, and Michael Landon, ever did.

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Post by littlejoenice » Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:22 pm

It's too bad they didn't leave the scream in. I'd read somewhere, too, that it was taken out, but it's too bad it was taken out.
It's become sort of joke in my family, though. Whenever I mention that episode, and start re-telling it to my mom, and brothers, I always wind up saying at the end, "Well, I guess now you can say that keeping that ranch nearly cost :joe an arm... and a leg!" :lol :rotfl :ha
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Re: Episode 361 - A MATTER OF CIRCUMSTANCE

Post by snapdragon » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:04 pm

Bejules wrote:From what I've read and if my memory serves me correctly I believe the scream that was taken out was when Joe got trampled by the horses in the barn. Mike's performance all through that episode was outstanding and you can feel his pain! You can imagine Mike gave his all when he had to react to being trampled and the PTB decided that his scream was just too realistic for the audience to take!
That's interesting. I've watched this episode a few times and noticed that ML's mouth had opened to scream when the horse stomped on his leg but I always wondered why I never heard anything? :think

Can the original scream be heard on the DVDs? Or anywhere?

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