Episode 145 - THE LEGACY

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Post by Jeanny » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:20 am

What gets me very mouch of that episode is Ben's worrying for his boys. As a parent by myself, I can feel his uncertainty about what of his education worked in the end. And his big relief THAT it has been working!!! We all are people with so many different Features that one cannot be safe what works out in what special moment. So, the boys didn't fail as good sons and Ben didn't fail as a good father.

From this point of view that episode was very sincere!!
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Re: Episode 145 - THE LEGACY

Post by showdown » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:06 am

Sheriff Coffee is asking the most obvious question: “Why do you believe your Pa is dead?” The boys assume immediately that he has been killed. It´s a weakness in the story IMO. But in such a situation all sons are upset and impetuous.
We see an endearing family-story with all Cartwrights.
I like it when Ben is describing Adam as a calm boy who wouldn´t do an injudiciousness in emergency case. Then – cut - and you see Adam rough, being at someones throat. Yes, in such a situation, when it comes to the family, a cool head can become a hot head.
The best remark says Hoss about Little Joe, as he is seeing Ben worried about what his youngest son could have done: "He is still one of your sons, Pa." Little Joe is able to think sober and doesn´t make a panic in stress situation. He would always stay a good Cartwright.

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Re: Episode 145 - THE LEGACY

Post by littlejoenice » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:28 pm

"Why do you believe your Pa is dead?"
The infamous question asked by Sheriff Coffee in this episode.
What was the reply?
One of them, Joe, I think it was, swung Buck's saddle onto Roy's desk, declaring that there was "blood on the saddle."
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Post by Calamity » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:26 pm

This one was a bit out of character in that our boys were blood thirsty but I think each played it well. In the same manner as Springtime, I enjoyed the character study of our favorite family. Ben in the wagon proudly describing each son was as much a pleasure to me as watching those scenes unfold. James Best was typically the badden but in this one he was a doting father - nice red herring there. The grocer didn't appear to be as much of a threat, so I didn't really understand why Adam was leaning on that pole. Granted, he looked good doing it but I'm left with the feeling that something was cut from that scene.
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Post by littlejoenice » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:11 am

Calamity wrote:This one was a bit out of character in that our boys were blood thirsty but I think each played it well. In the same manner as Springtime, I enjoyed the character study of our favorite family. Ben in the wagon proudly describing each son was as much a pleasure to me as watching those scenes unfold. James Best was typically the badden but in this one he was a doting father - nice red herring there. The grocer didn't appear to be as much of a threat, so I didn't really understand why Adam was leaning on that pole. Granted, he looked good doing it but I'm left with the feeling that something was cut from that scene.
What made this episode a little funny is that as Ben is describing each of his sons's personalities, they are doing completely opposite of what their father thinks of them.
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Post by Calamity » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:22 am

Yes. I believe he described Adam as the calm, level headed one when he turned out to behave in a most irrational manner. And Joe? He thought that Joe was the hot-headed spirited one and he is the one who handled the rough situation. Poor Hoss, always caught in the middle.
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Post by littlejoenice » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:28 am

He was right about Little Joe. He did always seem "set to go off half-cocked" without hearing things out. (To quote Hoss in "The Friendship")
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Re: Episode 145 - THE LEGACY

Post by ljlover2001 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:42 am

I am in the minority, obviously, but I am not a fan of this episode, at all
Right from the start there are glaring holes in it. Joe would never have ridden off and left his father to face an unknown, hidden foe, as he does at the beginning of this episode. If Ben was going to chase poachers, Joe would have gone with him.
Then, when they find Ben's horse, why immediately assume that their father is dead? A bit of blood on the saddle doesn't prove that and they returned to the place where Ben was last seen and searched. If he was dead, his body, or at least his remains, would have been visible, even if an animal had got at it. It wasn't that long before they started looking for him. And what poacher is going to take a dead body with them, or bury one? The obvious conclusion was that Ben was still alive.
Also, I don't see any of the boys going off on a revenge mission like this, especially not Adam. And why would Adam allow his little brother, knowing how upset Joe was, go off alone, after a man whom they assumed had killed their father in cold blood? If he had killed Ben, he wouldn't care about killing again. You can only get hung once.
I am also a bit upset that Ben seems so worried about what Joe will do. I thought he knew his boys better than that.
And finally, I am upset, as we don't see Adam find out his father his alive and witness the greeting, nor do we see Joe's reaction to learning that Ben is okay (and no hug, either)
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Re: Episode 145 - THE LEGACY

Post by littlejoenice » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:14 am

ljlover2001 wrote:I am in the minority, obviously, but I am not a fan of this episode, at all
Right from the start there are glaring holes in it. Joe would never have ridden off and left his father to face an unknown, hidden foe, as he does at the beginning of this episode. If Ben was going to chase poachers, Joe would have gone with him.
Then, when they find Ben's horse, why immediately assume that their father is dead? A bit of blood on the saddle doesn't prove that and they returned to the place where Ben was last seen and searched. If he was dead, his body, or at least his remains, would have been visible, even if an animal had got at it. It wasn't that long before they started looking for him. And what poacher is going to take a dead body with them, or bury one? The obvious conclusion was that Ben was still alive.
Also, I don't see any of the boys going off on a revenge mission like this, especially not Adam. And why would Adam allow his little brother, knowing how upset Joe was, go off alone, after a man whom they assumed had killed their father in cold blood? If he had killed Ben, he wouldn't care about killing again. You can only get hung once.
I am also a bit upset that Ben seems so worried about what Joe will do. I thought he knew his boys better than that.
And finally, I am upset, as we don't see Adam find out his father his alive and witness the greeting, nor do we see Joe's reaction to learning that Ben is okay (and no hug, either)
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Joe only rode off because Ben asked him to head back and see if his brothers needed help.
To a Cartwright, when there's blood on the saddle, that means something bad has happened, no matter how little.
If he were dead, the poachers could have hidden his body, so they wouldn't be found out.
Three men, three brothers. Splitting up was the easiest thing to do, in order to catch up to all of them.
Ben did know his boys, very well. But the fact that Joe had such a short fuse... that fact alone would cause any father to worry, especially back then.
As for Adam's knowledge that his father's alive, perhaps the writers wanted to leave us all guessing.
And Little Joe was just so upset, and Ben, too, that maybe, after finding out his son hadn't killed the man after all, they were just too relieved to show emotions. If that makes any sense.
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Re: Episode 145 - THE LEGACY

Post by LittleJoe4Ever » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:24 pm

ljlover2001 wrote:I am in the minority, obviously, but I am not a fan of this episode, at all
Right from the start there are glaring holes in it. Joe would never have ridden off and left his father to face an unknown, hidden foe, as he does at the beginning of this episode. If Ben was going to chase poachers, Joe would have gone with him.
Then, when they find Ben's horse, why immediately assume that their father is dead? A bit of blood on the saddle doesn't prove that and they returned to the place where Ben was last seen and searched. If he was dead, his body, or at least his remains, would have been visible, even if an animal had got at it. It wasn't that long before they started looking for him. And what poacher is going to take a dead body with them, or bury one? The obvious conclusion was that Ben was still alive.
Also, I don't see any of the boys going off on a revenge mission like this, especially not Adam. And why would Adam allow his little brother, knowing how upset Joe was, go off alone, after a man whom they assumed had killed their father in cold blood? If he had killed Ben, he wouldn't care about killing again. You can only get hung once.
I am also a bit upset that Ben seems so worried about what Joe will do. I thought he knew his boys better than that.
And finally, I am upset, as we don't see Adam find out his father his alive and witness the greeting, nor do we see Joe's reaction to learning that Ben is okay (and no hug, either)
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I definitely agree with you! Excellent points! Thank you for bringing them up. I especially like that you said this, "I am also a bit upset that Ben seems so worried about what Joe will do. I thought he knew his boys better than that." Very true! :very happy

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