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Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:56 pm
by Julianna
One of the other members wrote an interesting thought. It was written in Portugese, but very insightful after I used the online translator+
"This episode is one of my favorites. It's magic to tune in between the two actors, Pernell and Dan. The seconds before the fight (the beating that Adam took, actually) show a perfect scene with great interpretations. Impossible not to be moved by Adam's tortured gaze, when he discovered that his brother saw him kissing the bitch ..."
I have to agree that Adam had a torturted look when he realized Hoss had seen him. I don't think he knew what Hoss wanted when he went in the bunk house or he wouldn't have gone in. There were guilty feelings in play here otherwise why no attempt to block the punches? It does disturb me and always has about Hoss. He never let Adam explain and surely he had to realize that Adam was not fighting back. The other fights were one punch between the brothers and in Springtime letting off steam and wrestling, no one was that angry. It does not say much for either character if you trust someone you only know for a few weeks over your sibling. The writers wrote like this all the time. Little Joe wanted to fight Adam in The Lady from Baltimore and Ben was there to take care of it. In that episode Adam tried to help her with her dress and she kissed him.

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:39 am
by Sharry
I agree the translated comments are extremely insightful, Julianna. It nails a lot of the emotions that were likely at play. I believe Adam would have felt guilty when he realized what Hoss wanted. He didn't intend for anyone to see him, much less Hoss. Not blocking the punches was another way of demonstrating how helpless he felt in whole situation. The circumstances were intense. :adam :hoss

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:21 pm
by Cartwright fan.
Julianna wrote: It does disturb me and always has about Hoss. He never let Adam explain and surely he had to realize that Adam was not fighting back.
Well, Hoss definitely had tensions running high, but I still think his reaction was totally reasonable under the circumstances. He saw Adam kissing (getting kissed) by Regan. That's all he knew, and personally, I think that would've been enough for any Cartwright to go on. If Adam saw Joe kissing his girl, would he not be upset in the same way? The only difference I can see is Adam might jump in right then and knock Joe's block off in front of the girl. I don't think one would just shrug off the fact, or assume innocence, in your significant other being, (or appearing to be), kissed by your sibling.
Adam's not fighting back was perfect, in my opinion. It fits Adam's character in the way that he knew he was wrong, and was in a way punishing himself by not raising a hand to Hoss. Besides, I don't think Hoss would've kept pounding him into the ground. I think he was pretty much done with him when Ben and Joe showed up. If you watch it again, you'll see he hurls Adam towards the doors, but doesn't follow after him right away. Methinks it would've been more like Hoss walks up to him, tells him to stay away from Regan or he'll be sorry, then leaves. I don't think he was going to kill him, like Ben seemed to think. "...When Adam came home, Hoss almost killed him!"
Okay, I'm done. :laughing

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:49 pm
by PJudith
Very good explanation. When cupid flies in the window, common sense flies out.

The brothers argued before just like all siblings do. But nothing ever got too drastic. Sometimes it was silly "blowing off steam" like in Springtime. Other times they argued about stuff.


This was different. No man wants to see another man kissing his fiance. Even sweet natured Hoss would lose it! And it seemed like a double betrayal coming from his own brother.

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:25 pm
by Julianna
[ If Adam saw Joe kissing his girl, would he not be upset in the same way? The only difference I can see is Adam might jump in right then and knock Joe's block off in front of the girl.
Aside from A Rose for Lotta, When did Adam ever hit his brothers in real anger and not letting off steam or horseplay? I know in A House Divided he pushed Joe away, and Joe hit him. He might have hit back, except for Pa's interference. But that was not about a girl. I don't think he ever hauled off and hit his brothers. ( friendly pats don't count)
I don't think he was going to kill him, like Ben seemed to think. "...When Adam came home, Hoss almost killed him!"
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A parent exaggerating for the desired effect. He did beat the crap out of him and you don't see him again until the very last scene. Adam never was interested in any of his brothers' girlfriends with the exception of Melinda and when it was confirmed Joe wanted to marry her; he left to buy cattle. Somehow I can't get the picture of Adam wiping his mouth after kissing Reagan, but he didn't mind Melinda's kiss except a bit embarrassed. Adam truly loved his family and was very protective of his brothers. PR may not have felt that way, but AC did over and over and if you really look at him in the scenes you see it. But I think in his own way, PR loved his cast mates more than he admitted.

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:48 pm
by Cartwright fan.
Julianna wrote:[Aside from A Rose for Lotta, When did Adam ever hit his brothers in real anger and not letting off steam or horseplay?
He didn't, but that's part of the point. When did Hoss hit his brothers, simply in anger? Nothing at stake, no real reason, but he JUST DID? Hoss doesn't seem like the type that will fly off the handle for no reason. He seemed like the last person that would get angry enough to hurt people; so if you could rile him to that point, who's to say you couldn't do the same with Adam?
Adam seemed to have a more controlled, revered personality, but he could get angry. In "The Hopefuls", Adam and Hoss are chasing Sam Bord, who took the Quaker's money, and they stop for fresh horses. The stable owner isn't being slow on purpose, but when he's taking longer than Adam wants, Adam gets slightly physical. He grabs the man's shirt and shoves him, telling him to hurry up. That wasn't even entirely about a girl, and he was already mad enough to be physical. Who's to say Adam couldn't be pushed far enough to do, under the same circumstances, what Hoss did to him? :shrug

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:00 pm
by Julianna
When did Hoss hit his brothers, simply in anger? The Courtship comes to mind at the top of my head. Both brothers get it!

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:39 pm
by Cartwright fan.
Julianna wrote:When did Hoss hit his brothers, simply in anger? The Courtship comes to mind at the top of my head. Both brothers get it!
But Hoss was angry over a woman. He felt his brothers betrayed him by bringing Helen to town, and was probably embarrassed to top it off. It wasn't like with Joe in "The Quest", where he was just mad and hit both brothers with nothing at stake. I guess it's just my opinion, but I don't think Hoss' reaction was as out of sorts as others think. The Courtship, however, I could almost agree with you that it was strange... but I prefer to blame poor writing. :laughing

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:04 pm
by Julianna
but I prefer to blame poorwriting
:rotfl

Re: Episode 135 - SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:35 am
by Julianna
Cartwright fan. wrote:
Julianna wrote:When did Hoss hit his brothers, simply in anger? The Courtship comes to mind at the top of my head. Both brothers get it!
But Hoss was angry over a woman. He felt his brothers betrayed him by bringing Helen to town, and was probably embarrassed to top it off. It wasn't like with Joe in "The Quest", where he was just mad and hit both brothers with nothing at stake. I guess it's just my opinion, but I don't think Hoss' reaction was as out of sorts as others think. The Courtship, however, I could almost agree with you that it was strange... but I prefer to blame poor writing. :laughing
Cartwright Fan, I saw The Rival a few days ago on TV. Hoss' friend, Jim Applegate stole Hoss' girl Cameo which Hoss had been courting for some time and he didn't beat him or treat him the way he did Adam in She Walks in Beauty. so it has to be the writing.