Episode 128 - MY BROTHER'S KEEPER

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Re: Episode 128 - MY BROTHER'S KEEPER

Post by Tahoe Lee » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:14 pm

[quote="RedShirt"]Let me turn that photo on its head. What d'y'all reckon Cochise is saying to Adam, there?
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"Thanks for getting that bullet out so nice. We both love that boy don't we?" Cochise :cochise
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Re: Episode 128 - MY BROTHER'S KEEPER

Post by Julianna » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:38 am

Tahoe Lee wrote:Mr Reardon quoted Thoreau "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."
"Think about it Adam...you'll find you're not alone."

I'm thinking he said...don't worry Adam....most men lead desperate lives like you do, so you shouldn't feel alone.

Cold and flat and insulting .....no wonder Adam didn't look at him..and when Mr. Reardon began to speak...Adam turned his head farther away from him.
I think he behaved in this way because it isn't what he wanted to hear or needed. He wanted to hear that everything was going to be all right. I do think Mr. R understood how and why Adam was acting the way he was. In another discussion on Boomers FB months ago someone was saying they thought the writer used the wrong quote from Thoreau in this episode. i can't remember what the quote was now. It was argued that it would have been more helpful. I have to agree that being told I was like everyone else in the desperate situation might not be comforting. But later he does tell Mr. Reardon how heroic he acted to help get control of the situation with Dowd. So I don't feel he resented Reardon's comments.

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Post by Adamant » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:04 am

I have resisted participating in this discussion because I think that some are looking for meaning where there really isn't one and I see no association with The Crucible. I actually preferred the humor of the earlier discussions and I think everyone who participates in a thread discussion like this should read what has been posted previously from post one. Nevertheless, below is a section of Thoreau's quote that even Adam doesn't quote:

“The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation. From the desperate city you go into the desperate country, and have to console yourself with the bravery of minks and muskrats. A stereotyped but unconscious despair is concealed even under what are called the games and amusements of mankind. There is no play in them, for this comes after work. But it is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things..”

What Reardon may be trying to say is that Adam wouldn't be any happier in the city than he is in the country if he thinks that all his "desperation" will dissolve. Misery knows no boundaries. And anyone familiar with Thoreau knows that he advocated simplicity and living in the natural world. Hoss fits a Thoreau disciple much better than Adam does. See a pattern? Hoss talks about how much he identifies with nature and the natural life while Adam is all about himself and his guilt and the lack of medical care and the nasty bad guys, etc. etc. To put it simplistically, Thoreau, Emerson and the other Transcendentalists along with the Romantics in England, believed that cities and society engendered sin and corruption -- only in nature could one find true beauty and peace and, if one is so inclined, God through his creations.

And I agree with Hoss' request for Adam to "Ease up."
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Post by Adamant » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:17 am

And one more thing -- Adam looks "unclean" in this episode -- and he should. He was out hunting for days, rode home with Joe on his horse and didn't shave or wash due to the circumstance once he was home. And when he and Sheila put their arms about one another, I always think that he must reek to high heaven. :winking
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Post by Quietgirl » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:25 am

Adamant; keepin' it real. LOL!
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Post by PlatoofthePonderosa » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:40 pm

Adamant wrote:I have resisted participating in this discussion because I think that some are looking for meaning where there really isn't one and I see no association with The Crucible. I actually preferred the humor of the earlier discussions and I think everyone who participates in a thread discussion like this should read what has been posted previously from post one.
I totally understand that David Dortort, the writers of Bonanza, and the actors probably had none of what we've been discussing in mind. That's why I labeled my first digression about The Cruciblewith a clear warning that it was solely my opinion. :yes

I just enjoy creating a more cohesive storyline. It's all fiction, of course, but part of the fun of it is treating these episodes as though they were real life accounts of historical people. I certainly don't think anybody needs to see it the way I do, or that we have to find each other's interpretations appealing! It's like fanfiction.

Also, I did read the entire thread. I've read it multiple times in the past and enjoyed it immensely; but I don't think we have to limit discussions to the tone of what's come before.
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Post by PlatoofthePonderosa » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm

Adamant wrote:And one more thing -- Adam looks "unclean" in this episode -- and he should. He was out hunting for days, rode home with Joe on his horse and didn't shave or wash due to the circumstance once he was home. And when he and Sheila put their arms about one another, I always think that he must reek to high heaven. :winking
Also, yes.

Not so romantic after all. :grin
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Post by Tahoe Lee » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:06 pm

Adamant wrote:I have resisted participating in this discussion because I think that some are looking for meaning where there really isn't one and I see no association with The Crucible. I actually preferred the humor of the earlier discussions and I think everyone who participates in a thread discussion like this should read what has been posted previously from post one. Nevertheless, below is a section of Thoreau's quote that even Adam doesn't quote:
Hi Adamant...I just joined here a few weeks ago and I certainly read every post before I made any comments. In my opinion this is an art form and there will be different interpretations. And they may change. In a few months I might see something in a different light.

I agree with you.... agreeing with Hoss when he told Adam to ease up. Adam was obviously exaggerating and was just wanting to get out of the situation.

Like maybe if we never went hunting ...the accident would not have happened. Maybe if we lived in the city this would never have happened. Maybe if I never owned a gun. You can go on and on...

kind of like now....if you never learn to drive ...that car accident would never happen.

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Post by patina » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm

PlatoofthePonderosa wrote:
Adamant wrote:And one more thing -- Adam looks "unclean" in this episode -- and he should. He was out hunting for days, rode home with Joe on his horse and didn't shave or wash due to the circumstance once he was home. And when he and Sheila put their arms about one another, I always think that he must reek to high heaven. :winking
Also, yes.

Not so romantic after all. :grin
Perhaps Sheila had lost her sense of smell on the trip West. :grin

She must have been sorely disappointed that Adam didn’t forget about Joe for a few minutes (or an hour) to have a make-out session with her so she asked him to kiss her. Shameless little hussy. :laughing
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Re: Episode 128 - MY BROTHER'S KEEPER

Post by Julianna » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:50 pm

Yes, I have read the entire thread more than once since I believe I commented several times since my first post in 2016. I don't think the Crucible had an impact on stories after it because they usually treated these stories like a complete movie. I also think PR did do more than 10% on his acting. I think that was his way of saying there was so much more that he could do etc. ( yes, that was discussed earlier in the thread) As far as not being clean, after Pa got there and Joe was better, I think he did clean up, cuz he looks it when Sheila says goodby but when he put he's arm around her earlier ewwww!
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