Julianna wrote: Cartwright fan. wrote:
One thing I'd like to know: what "beating"? If you watch the episode again, you'll see that Hoss hits him ONCE. He draws back to hit him again, but the one blow is all Connors receives. I don't doubt that Hoss hurt him
, but I really don't think you can say he, beat him
I'd have to say it's a combination of what the fight's about and how effective the beating is. A trained fighter can kill a person, and wouldn't have to spend a lot of time or land a ton of punches to do it. But these aren't that kind of fights, it seems to me.
Do we know if Hoss has ever been taught to box (going by what we see him do, it looks like no, he's a scrapper / brawler, not a scientific fighter)? With the size and strength he has -- if he'd been taught such skills, he'd be a very dangerous man indeed (not that he can't more than hold his own as-is). If I'd been standing in Hoss's boots, I'd've done my dead-level best to knock Connors into the middle of next week, if not knock that blockhead of Connors' clean off his shoulders, because that's what Connors has coming. But Hoss isn't in this to dish out a vicious, systematic beatdown -- he's teaching a lesson to Connors, and it seems Hoss felt one punch did enough -- this time. It's actually something of a measured response, or he'd've thrown that second punch, at the very least.
We know all the Cartwright men are perfectly capable, if that's the only way out, of killing someone (especially somebody who desperately needs killing, but those are all separate and other stories). I don't think a one of them takes it casually when that is the only way out. (Well, maybe Will, and that might be why one of the big reasons I'm okay with him not taking over when Adam left). Given where / when / how they live and what has been tried on / done to them, though ... I don't consider them cold-blooded, murderous, or otherwise 'evil'.
Dangerous? You bet. But they had to be, because otherwise they'd, to misquote Joe, have died of a real bad case of unfit.
I can't remember ever seeing Hoss hit Joe more than once, although the opposite is not true.
I think he knows exactly how much force he can use, whenever the time comes to use that force. Maybe the one time that doesn't apply is when Hoss goes after Adam over Ragan -- and Adam not only doesn't fight back, it looks like he's taking that beating because that's him still trying to get a message to his brother.
That was a whuppin', too, don't ever think it wasn't. I don't think Adam's not defending himself because he thinks he deserves it. I think he's taking that whupping because he thinks Hoss needs
to dole it out, and he's absolutely certain he's the safest target his brother will ever find. Yes, Hoss is acting out of pain and rage -- but you'll notice he doesn't systematically beat his brother into unconsciousness, or deliberately go for broken ribs, a fractured jaw, or ruptured kidneys (not that that's much comfort to Adam at the time).
just what constitutes a beating? 2, 3 4 hits? or is it the severity? What does everyone think? In The Magnificent Adah John Regan only hits Joe a few times( not sure if 3 or 4)and he almost kills him.
Yes, John Regan nearly beat Joe to death -- but again, there's a disparity in the size and skill of the men in the fight to consider. The actor in that part was six-foot-six, and built in proportion -- there's a photo of him standing next to Fess Parker (Davy Crockett/Daniel Boone) here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0576353/medi ... m152973824
that gives you an idea of his size. He'd've had a hard time NOT killing Joe if he landed four or five boxing punches, and the script calls him a washed-up heavyweight fighter (not the same thing as retired), so he'd've come into the fight with the plan of being the last man standing.