Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by PlatoofthePonderosa » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:54 pm

Sharry wrote:
ellen wrote:Adam's response? "You'll get over it."
Those are fighting words for me, even if I was talking to Adam. Oh yeah? Don't be so sure. :lol
Haha! That was neither Adam's most tactful nor his most charming moment.

Even as he was saying it, I don't think he believed it. He was attempting to convince himself in the heat of the moment...wishful thinking and all that. Regina was a stubborn gal, and he knew it.
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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by Julianna » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:09 am

PlatoofthePonderosa wrote:
I've heard people say they lacked chemistry, but I don't agree. The feeling is obvious on his side, and although she is a very reserved and proper person and fighting with herself about how to handle this romance, look at the way her eyes shine. :grin

The main thing is that Adam really, really loved her. He didn't feel sorry for her or feel the need to protect or teach or fix her. She's the only one (besides Abigail Jones, lol) who was capable of turning him into a tongue-tied schoolboy. And he seems to suffer more in this goodbye scene than in any other.
I have to agree. I can't see how anyone that watches their kissing scene and then says" they had no chemistry" It seems pretty hot to me! :thud
He did look to protect her in the scene where the shooting starts at the wagons. He makes sure she is down and doesn't get shot as I recall. But all this has to do with how the story is written. :wink

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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by Adamant » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:07 am

It may be that most PR fans are aware that he and Patricia Donahue had a past history of romance. It occurred before this episode. I don't really have an opinion on their chemistry but their kissing scene is passionate -- Adam practically glows! I happen to think she looks much older than he does (she was actually 3 years older than he) but women often look older than their S.O.'s. In casting Emily for the Bob Newhart Show, the PTB considered Penny Fuller but they felt that in another year or two she would look older than Bob Newhart. Hence, Suzanne Pleshette. :grin

The only thing I do have an issue with is the premise that Adam and Hoss accompany them -- although for Adam, it's the girl that's the lure and for Hoss, it's the food. But to go off with the religious group and leave the ranch to act as a bodyguard? And Regina knew that Adam was there to protect them because he does pull a gun when the baddies shoot at them and shoots back. That would have been the time to ask him about his views on violence and to make it clear that she could never marry a man who did not eschew violence for any reason. Adam wasn't stupid so I find it a little incredulous that Adam actually believed he could fit into their way of life or that she would abandon her religion for him. I know it's a love story and such, and I appreciate that Adam was given one, but he is so ga-ga over Regina, that it seems a bit much.

In the later episodes, I can't remember Adam being given any love interest except for Laura. (I don't count Rebecca -- that was just a flirtation and he was never in love with Ann (The Search) but would have participated in a tumble if the time was right.) But then his character changed so much, IMO, as the series went on, and not necessarily for the better.

(I do find it interesting that PR seemed to like blondes -- Rebecca Donahue, Phyllis Hill and the actress who played Lonesome LIL in "Sam Hill," Jan Farrand and who knows who else, but all four of his wives had dark hair. Go figure.)

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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by PJudith » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:14 am

Interesting thoughts...well, there was the blonde Ruth. But there has been some speculation here that she may have just been a fever induced dream caused by Adam's injury. But then again, why was he injured? Who was he defending on that 'Mountain of the Dead'?

The whole "keeping the Cartwrights single" aspect of the show made for a lot of interesting romantic entanglements in the series. But realistically, the men would have been looking for wives. Ben was very big on family, I think his sons would have been that way too. At least Adam and Hoss who were thirty-ish at the beginning of the show would have gotten married sooner or later.

But the show applied 20th century standards of romance to the 1860's. Back then people were not into loooong romantic courtships and dating for several years. They got married and raised families.

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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by TNTrue » Thu May 21, 2020 2:18 pm

Julianna wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 pm
This is a good episode for Adam. I think when Regina's father dies she feels she needs to take over or that's how it appears in this episode. If you know any history of Quakers this is ridiculous. They would elect a new leader and it wouldn't be a woman.
I didn't feel Regina considered herself the leader of the group, after her father dies, but she did seem to see herself as a leader, which I thought historically legitimate. While most Quaker leaders were men, Quakers were quite liberal for their times (most Quakers are liberal to this day), and scandalized other Christians by opening their "ministry" (a much more fluid concept than in most Christian denominations) to women, giving them the right to speak out at Meetings from the git go (1650s). At one point the female leaders were the ones who had first rights of approving or denying a marriage, giving women a great deal of power over men for the seventeenth century, when that Just Wasn't Done. While women were rarely a separate body with separate authority by the 1860s, they still had more power than the women in most churches of that day and age.

Early on, Quaker women were a goodly chunk of the leaders of the Women's Rights movement (which heavily overlapped with the abolitionists, another movement the Quakers were pretty active in). At least 23 Quakers signed the 1848 Declaration of Rights and Sentiments at Seneca Falls in 1848 (both men and women).
Julianna wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 pm
I do like Hoss and Adam working together and Hoss supporting Adam. The scene at camp after dinner is pretty hot too!!
:thumbup Totally agree.
Julianna wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 pm
I felt he was trying to turn things around as Sam at first. But Sam wasn't strong enough to figure out another way out of his problem.
Agree with this, too, although I'd say that's more in how the actor played it than in how it was actually written. I didn't think the script served this character very well.
Julianna wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 pm
didn't John Wayne marry a Quaker lady in one of his movies?
Yep, The Angel and the Badman, which is one of the few Quaker/non-Quaker romances I've seen where the violent man (somehow it's always the man who is violent, and the woman who is the pacifist :shrug :grin ) successfully converts to non-violence.
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:48 pm
(whether they were Quaker, Amish, or some version of an Anabaptist community...the episode doesn't tell us).
I don't know if they say it straight out, but they're pretty clearly Quaker. Quakers have a British background and are the ones who still said "thou" and "thee" at that point, and they did it to emphasize that all people were essentially equal. The Amish and Mennonite mostly spoke Pennsylvania Dutch, which is a variation on German, or regular English. Also, there weren't any Amish that far west that early on -- the earliest attempted Amish settlement in California was in 1913 (it failed), and they've never tried for Nevada. Not that Bonanza was known for historical accuracy. :eyeroll
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:48 pm
Regina is the only woman I ever felt was his equal. Most of his romances were semi-charity cases (Sue Ellen, Ruth, Rebecca, Isabella/Rosita, Laura), but he seemed to truly admire Regina. ... Adam really, really loved her. He didn't feel sorry for her or feel the need to protect or teach or fix her.
:yes

I had some issues at first with him falling so hard and fast on sight, but after the scene where he's filling the water buckets, it's obvious why he admires her, and I could believe it, so I just retroactively decided he could somehow see those qualities from afar. :grin

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