Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by JOE AND WILL FAN » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:09 pm

This was also quite a bit before my time, like 28 years. :grin
But that just shows how lasting this show is as far as fame goes.

Yeah thankfully this show was able to grow thanks to Lorne Greene and the others suggestions.

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Post by ljlover2001 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:16 am

The original plan seemed to be to have the Cartwright family as an island fighting the whole world and that included Virginia City. They were the high and mighty Cartwrights who everyone disliked and it was considered unsafe for them to even venture into town, singly.
And Ben appeared to have raised his boys to shoot anyone who dared put their nose over their boundary.
Of course, as we all know, that did change and I really think that if it hadn't then we wouldn't still be talking about the show, as it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.
I do watch ARFL and cringe, but I also do like some parts. Joe fighting off the thugs with a parasol as an épée, for instance, the way the family rallied around to find Joe and the scene when they do find him - that wallop Ben lands on Joe's butt and the kiss Adam lands on Lotta's lips, mmm, nice one.
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Post by snapdragon » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:41 pm

Ugh. I found this first episode difficult to get through without cringing. Just terrible. :yuck

But the end was kinda cute. :grin

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Post by debpet2 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:41 pm

That kiss between Adam and Lotta in the end goes a long way to redeem the faults of the episode for me. The other scene that I think makes the episode worth watching is the gunfight between Adam and Poole with the dramatic closeups of their eyes.

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Post by Eswallace » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:47 pm

Yes I always thought they were way over the top but as with any new show they were still figuring out who they were. There was definitely flashes of who they would become and lots of caring.

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Post by littlejoenice » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:40 am

The first time I watched this episode, I thought it was hilarious! The boys sneaking out just to see an actress? And Ben catching on later. So funny. Especially the last scene where he literally spanked Little Joe!
Wait a minute, wait a minute. What you're saying is that at your age, you don't know the difference between a girl and a horse?

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Post by ShiningBright » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:14 am

I've seen this episode for teh first time yesterday, and I was disappointed to say the least. Little Joe was quite himself, I actually liked him even more than I usually do, he was adorable. Ben was close to his usual self, but... crazy! I mean he is choleric, but nonetheless mindful in other episodes, but in the pilot he was simply crazy. Hoss was unfriendly to a horse and talked bad about a lady in his introduction - but he got in character over the course of the episode. I don't even know what to say about Adam, but I think Little Joe could think of some words. The entire "yo mama" thing was painful, and while I understand that Joe himself taked a bit back about Adam's mother in return, I thought what he said about Inger was just as bad, especially since he didn't even know her. Still, the way Adam talked to Joe was mean and unfair. The script itself lacked in major points - especially dialogue - but I loved Hop Ling! I had no idea that Hop Sing had a father (who is a character, of course he'd have a father) and he was wonderful. And I liked Lotta - although I have no idea what her kiss with Adam was supposed to be. They didn't seem to like each other, and there was not even a kind of difficult chemistry. But I liked her - she had style. A backbone, if you know what I mean. All in all, I don't think the episode was bad in itself, but it was certainly a bad way to introduce the show, and the characters. Also, they were so keen to fight and shoot, and so aggressive, all of them. They didn't even seem to fully like each other.
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Post by Sharry » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:58 pm

Knowing the series as we all know it now makes it hard to reconcile with the first introduction of any of the characters in A Rose For Lotta. In many ways they don't resemble the Cartwright family we all grew to love.

Ben was scary as ##&%! As I was a little kid at the time, I'm sure I would have been afraid of him. ("Fire and brimstone!")

I remember Joe jumping around with the umbrella, which I didn't understand at the time. It made no sense to me because I didn't know what he was doing.

The 'yo mama' insults were weird, particularly as Adam and Joe weren't new at being brothers. They'd already been living together for years. I guess it established a few of the differences in their history at the time, but all of that went right over my head initially. I was impressed, however, with Hoss from the standpoint that he could pick up anyone and toss them across the room. That's a talent.

As for the kiss? I'd have kissed Adam, too, but it was all a little squicky to me at the time. One brother, then the other... I believed him when Adam announced he was 'the man' of the bunch, but so? (Remember - I was five.)

Despite all of that I was captivated by the four of them. Something kept me watching week to week. It worked out. :ranch
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Post by Calamity » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:52 pm

Fortunately, those clever actors developed their characters rather quickly.
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Post by PJudith » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:37 pm

Yvonne DeCarlo never looked lovelier.

But like everyone said, it was a good thing the characters developed quickly beyond caricature. As for the brothers arguing, I guess it was the quickest way to establish some of their differences, like different mothers.

But I was glad to see that Cartwright love and loyalty developed quickly.

I remember reading how Lorne Greene went to the producer with his concerns about Ben's tendency to want to shoot all trespassers.

He said something like- "The Ponderosa is HUGE. People would have to cross it. You can't expect everyone to ride miles around it. Ben wouldn't threaten to shoot every person who rode through."

I don't know the specifics, but I would imagine that huge spreads like that would have some public access roads through them. You couldn't just stop and build a cabin, but I doubt if Ben would be mad if you rode through his land!
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