Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by daisy60 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:45 pm

Yes, the first episode was not very good. It was written by David Dortort, Bonanza's creator and producer. Even the actor's themselves didn't like the episode. A lot of things soon changed. First to go was the way Ben wanted to kill anyone who trespassed on his land. Lorne suggested they welcome guests to the Ponderosa. The characters of the show soon developed and became more the way the actors themselves really were. I watch ARFL now just to see that funny fight scene between Adam and Joe and then Hoss stepping in. It's hilarious now to watch back on it! :rotfl

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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by littlejoenice » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:32 am

daisy60 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:45 pm
I watch ARFL now just to see that funny fight scene between Adam and Joe and then Hoss stepping in. It's hilarious now to watch back on it! :rotfl
That fight scene was something, right? So out of character for Adam and Joe to deliberately pick a fight, and over some names they'd called each other's mothers. But there was also something weird in that scene, too. Notice how Adam came in from the side of Ben's desk? There wasn't a door there, was there?
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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by Adamant » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:55 pm

Not to be contrary, but other than Ben's over the top behavior at the beginning, I liked it. As for the racial aspects -- Ben mimicking Hop Sing with "velly solly, velly solly", this was supposed to be in the 1800's and one can't look at the piece with contemporary eyes and mindset. Although there is such a thing as feminine criticism and racist criticism -- and many others that college students use to discuss literature, it really serves no purpose, IMO, to see it that way.

But the main thing is that there was a lot of information to be dispersed in this expositional episode -- the size of the Ponderosa, the tightness of the clan despite their conflicts within their family, and the writers used a clever means to set out the maternal contributions for the sons -- Hoss, with Joe explaining the name to Lotta, Joe and Adam through the insult exchange. It also set Adam as top dog with the women when it is he who kisses Lotta and leaves her with a smile on her face. (Later it became Joe who was the ladies' man but in the early season, it was Adam who knew his way around the females.)

I saw this for the first time years ago on a January 1st when TV Land was showing the first episodes of many TV Shows. I loved it and PR's toupee was still sitting down at his hairline making him look so boyish with the lock falling over his forehead -- loved him. But thank goodness Adam lost his NE accent and Joe dropped his southern accent -- those can't be inherited.

And I like the fight scene --there should have been more IMO, as brothers in that time would have fought more physically than with words.
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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by Drifter » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:20 pm

Ok, probably not the most memorable episode, but everything has a start somewhere! Personally I didn’t particularly mind the Adam/Joe fight if it was liken to a flashback of their younger years. They were definitely very clannish...Ben is too loud angry...Adam is harsh, and too “tough guy”... Hoss can’t handle himself in front of women and isn’t demonstrating himself the gentle giant we love...although apart from the accent, Joe was closest to being himself, being “young” and carefree.

However, there are two highlights in my opinion, and both involve four letter words: “Chaps” and “Kiss.”
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Post by KEH » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:11 pm

I was born in 1963. I lived my early childhood in France. My mother is French and my father English. I watched tv from a young age ... The magic roundabout... The wacky races ...all in French! My partner John was bought a Bonaza cowboy costume as a young boy! My first Bonanza episode was this Summer 2019. I like westerns with family themes and this episode popped up. I knew Michael Landon from the Little house on the prairie series and decided to watch it. Wow. I never looked back. Total star chemistry. I adored the energy in that episode. As a fan of the old films Lotta was a true bonus! I agree that Jo, Adam and Ben developed as characters but Hoss always stayed the same. All great actors but probably the intrinsic soul of the show was Hoss! Ben will always remain my fave and the lads my fantasy big brothers !

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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by RedShirt » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:41 am

Well, I'll argue a little about Hoss.
He didn't really change a lot after he started wearing the white shirt, except that after Adam left, Hoss got exasperated (with Joe and with Candy) mroe often -- very much the "big brother" aspect. He rapidly outgrew that looming / menacing quality from ARFL, and I'm glad of that. Over time the character softened quite a bit -- Hoss in this pilot episode is lots less patient with a horse he's putting a shoe on than he will be with other animals we see over the run of the show, and I think that side of the character made him more believable.

Compare and contrast with Merlin Olsen's characters in later ML shows, I think, for a good look at how effortless Dan Blocker makes bringing that gentle giant to life look. We don't see him as a flawless angel -- at least once, his own strength grieves him deeply.

The Hoss I will always cherish is the fearless one, the one who's a little shy around women and always both curious and upbeat. None of those things are apparent in ARFL (or even the first half of the first season, as far as that goes).
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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by rogell » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:45 pm

There are many things I don't like about ARFL. For instance Ben's way of speaking (fire and brimstone), the way Ben spoke to Hop Sing and Joe to the laundry person. I reakly disliked some of Hoss's mannerisms (he looked at the woman like she was a juicy pork chop). But I did like the argument between Joe and Adam because it did show that while Joe was still a kid, Adam was a full grown man, which would be evident in later episodes when Adam would side with Ben vs. Joe and Hoss. The acting and writing were horrible but I'm so glad it survived. Love my Bonanza.

I also loved how young Adam looked.
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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by flabirder » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:56 am

I was 4 when this episode aired. I think part of the reason they were so hostile to outsiders coming onto the Ponderosa at first is because people were trying to take it away from them. So they were trying to protect what was theirs. Remember, Lotta was sent there to lure one of the boys into Virginia City where he would be kidnapped & held by Alpheus Troy as ransom for the trees he wanted. As time went on, they started being more hospitable to their neighbors & even sold them beef at a low price in Death On Sun Mountain. I loved the fight between Little Joe & Adam at the beginning. Joe was 17 & not very dependable. Even in later episodes, he did everything he could to get out of work. Adam on the other hand, was the eldest brother, 12 years older than Joe & didn't have the patience for his youngest brothers antics. I have to rewatch the episode but I don't remember Joe saying anything about Inger. I remember Adam's comment about Marie being from the French Quarter in New Orleans & Joe calling Adam a Yankee Granite Head. The script was terrible, but most pilots are. They got better & so did the relationships between the family members.
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Re: Episode 1 - A ROSE FOR LOTTA

Post by Julianna » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:14 am

flabirder wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:56 am
I was 4 when this episode aired. I think part of the reason they were so hostile to outsiders coming onto the Ponderosa at first is because people were trying to take it away from them. So they were trying to protect what was theirs. Remember, Lotta was sent there to lure one of the boys into Virginia City where he would be kidnapped & held by Alpheus Troy as ransom for the trees he wanted. As time went on, they started being more hospitable to their neighbors & even sold them beef at a low price in Death On Sun Mountain. I loved the fight between Little Joe & Adam at the beginning. Joe was 17 & not very dependable. Even in later episodes, he did everything he could to get out of work. Adam on the other hand, was the eldest brother, 12 years older than Joe & didn't have the patience for his youngest brothers antics. I have to rewatch the episode but I don't remember Joe saying anything about Inger. I remember Adam's comment about Marie being from the French Quarter in New Orleans & Joe calling Adam a Yankee Granite Head. The script was terrible, but most pilots are. They got better & so did the relationships between the family members.
At first Joe does make fun of Inger but then he shows Lotta he was joking and says she was like a breath of Spring etc.

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